RF Punch 2 vs Punch 3

[Mithrandir]

I have a few questions if you would answer em for me. My younger cousin got 2 P2 12s and claims they are uber loud, like he sat in hondas with 2 of em and it was hard to breathe (i dont believe it). He said if they arent loud enough he will get P3s. Now to the questions.

What in the world is the difference between the 2 and the 3 besides the rated power qts, vas and the 1 mm more x max, and how much better will the 3 be than the 2 because of those factors.?
What would make someone pay more for a stage 3?
Will a 3 be alot louder than a 2?

The specs are below

Punch 2

Impedance - 4 ohms
Cone Material - Molded polypropylene
Surround Material - Foam
Sealed Box Volume (cubic feet) - 0.75 - 1.25
Ported Box Volume (cubic feet) - 1.25 - 2
Port diameter (inches) - 4
Port length (inches) - 11
Free-Air - No
Dual Voice Coil - No
Sensitivity - 86dB
Frequency Response - 20 - 0.2k Hz
RMS Power Range (Watts) - 50-200
Peak Power Handling (Watts) - 400
Top Mount Depth (inches) - 5 13/16
Bottom Mount Depth (inches) - N/A
Cutout Diameter or Length (inches) - 11 1/8
Vas (liters) - 97
Fs (Hz) - 25
Qts - 0.488
Xmax (millimeters) - 11

Punch 3

Impedance - 4 ohms
Cone Material - Molded polypropylene
Surround Material - Foam
Sealed Box Volume (cubic feet) - 0.65 - 0.85
Ported Box Volume (cubic feet) - 1.25 - 2
Port diameter (inches) - 4
Port length (inches) - 11
Free-Air - No
Dual Voice Coil - yes
Sensitivity - 87dB
Frequency Response - 20 - 0.2k Hz
RMS Power Range (Watts) - 100-500
Peak Power Handling (Watts) - 1000
Top Mount Depth (inches) - 5 13/16
Bottom Mount Depth (inches) - N/A
Cutout Diameter or Length (inches) - 11 1/8
Vas (liters) - 50
Fs (Hz) - 25
Qts - 0.398
Xmax (millimeters) - 12


Thanks a ton guys

[Justin from Detroit]

I don't know much about RF, never really been a big fan, but I know Chris from MI has a brand new pair of 12" P2's he will let go of cheap if ya want em. PM him if yer interested.

[William from NOLA]

I can't tell you if it is louder, but I know for a fact that the SQ difference between the two is night and day. P3 over P1 and P2 any day.

[daykareboards]

the p3 is dual VC too... I used to have a pair of p2's and they were alright... they got pretty loud but for the price you can get alot better sub.

[Justin from Detroit]

the p3 is dual VC too... I used to have a pair of p2's and they were alright... they got pretty loud but for the price you can get alot better sub.

Such as the Elevation Audio Comp :)

[audiofreak12]

Such as the Elevation Audio Comp :)


Always trying to make a sale....

[Ryan from Ohio]

Always trying to make a sale....

Hey man... Can I get a QP of Elevation

:p

[sinister audio]

the elevation comp would kill those p2's even the 10"s would kill thier 12"s

[Mithrandir]

I can't tell you if it is louder, but I know for a fact that the SQ difference between the two is night and day. P3 over P1 and P2 any day.


Do you know why the sq is better or you just know from hearing?

To give yall a laugh, my little cousin is gonna keep getting better subs or adding them until he breaks all his windows. I just ignore this kid and avoid him as much as I can, hes one of those people that think he is the greatest person on earth.

[djman37]

RF p3 series are cast basket also instead of rolled or stamped steel. The P1 and P2 try to look cast.
From the T/S parameters given, there are some I personally look for that are missing from the list. Qes, Qms, Le, BL.

[William from NOLA]

I've heard each one in the same box P1, p2 and P3. The P3 is audibly much better sounding.

[audiobass10]

Do you know why the sq is better or you just know from hearing?

To give yall a laugh, my little cousin is gonna keep getting better subs or adding them until he breaks all his windows. I just ignore this kid and avoid him as much as I can, hes one of those people that think he is the greatest person on earth.

Tell him good luck with that. Unless his windows are already screwed up, it's not gunna happen. Hell people do mid 150's all the time without cracking windows.

[William from NOLA]

A window will be physically blown out of it's housing before it would crack (usually). Older, weaker windows will more likely crack.

[audiobass10]

A window will be physically blown out of it's housing before it would crack (usually). Older, weaker windows will more likely crack.

Yep, hence the reason you see major flexing of the windows in really loud setups, but never cracks. If your window cracks, it was a shitty one anyways.

[Mithrandir]

lmao, hehehe yeah i thought so. I talked to him today hes getting 4 P2's and some guys is fiberglassing him a box for like 65 bucks! Lucky he knows the guy fiberglassing is pretty expensive huh?

[sinister audio]

hmm a 65 buck fiberglass box i wonder how good that will be? you got to get a picture of that.

[Mithrandir]

Ill try my best too. I just hope his system sounds like shit. He is getting everything rockford fosgate. Battery, wirirng kit, head unit, speakers, amps subs.

[sinister audio]

damn, is he going to a store and buy that stuff, if he is he better grease up his cornhole before he goes.

[Mithrandir]

He knows the guy :scorp:. Yeah hes probably doin a little bargaining if ya know what im saying. Just like him getting busted driving without a license let alone a permit is gonna slip through the system. My ass maybe if he sucks off the DA

[Justin from Detroit]

well a good fiberglass enclosure will EASILY cost over $200 IN MATERIALS. No possible way he's getting a good fiberglass enclosure for $65. Can't wait to see pics of this.

[sinister audio]

man i wish i could only have 65 bucks in a box i wouldnt even mess with wood then but ya i dont think i have ever had under 200 in a box with out labor.