Subs in my room.

[captaincheesey]

I know how people have subs that come with home audio kits or whatnot, but I was thinking about what actual subs that you put in your car would be like. Maybe a couple entry level subs, since I'm not trying to bring the roof down. I could possibly put a couple Kicker Comps or something in here. Also if it is a decent idea where would it be good to place them. I was thinking under my bed just for fun, which would be one of theo only places they would fit.

[Justin from Detroit]

They are usually the wrong impedance for home audio receivers/amps. Enclosure usually almost always have to be ported/bandpass for home audio.

[captaincheesey]

How would I be able to set something up to be the right impendence, because I saw a picture of some kid who had two Kicker Comps in his room hooked up to his stereo, which I thought was pretty cool. Once again where would they be placed the best. I know they would need to be in a ported box, but placement in the room. I could move things around to make room for them. They would be a couple of tens if this could work more than likely, nothing larger.

[JeremyC]

They would need to be wired for an eight ohm final load.

http://www.rockfordfosgate.com/rftech/wiringwizard.asp

[captaincheesey]

Now that the impendence problems are kind of solved, what kind of subs would sound nice in a smaller room, and are relatively cheap. Like I said, "entry level" subs. I was thinking the Alpine Type-Es because of the deal they have going right now.

[Darthness]

why not go over to partsexpress.com and pick up a home sub.. ie, dayton makes a few lines of subs that would probaboly work fine.

[sinister audio]

i have some great ones for you. 2 12" American Bass DX 12s. they are single 4 ohm so u can wire them to 8 ohms and can get really loud if wanted to but also sound decent for the price.

[captaincheesey]

why not go over to partsexpress.com and pick up a home sub.. ie, dayton makes a few lines of subs that would probaboly work fine.

I wanted car subs because they are different than home audio subs and I thought it would be a neat idea. Here is the link to where I first saw the idea.

http://www.kicker.com/06/hookedup/05HUShow.cfm?ID=93739

[88joser2003]

Now where would you power your subs from. You would need some type of amp to power them up. The house or home stereo amps are not very decent. I had the same idea when i was a freshy in HS and went out and bought a power converter that you would hook it up to the wall outlet and it would give you postive and negative leads but it just waasnt giving enough power to a Kicker 1200.1 it would shut the stereo off because it was too much energy that was pulling from the power converter. Back then i had some 12" Orion H2's and ended up putting them in my car a few years later.

[captaincheesey]

What about a little amp, nothing larger than 200 watts. I know it won't push a pair of subs to what they should be, but it won't be too much of a drain will it? Oh, on an unrelated subject, my speakers in my car seem to work better on a warm day instead of when it is cool. Explain why please.

[two4fifteen]

that depends, do you drive with your windows down when its warm, and up when its cool?

[captaincheesey]

Sometimes when it is cool it is very stuffy, and I have no AC so I have driven with my windows down in both conditions. The way I judge is by rear view mirror movement. I would play a song with heavy bass and when it is warm, the mirror will pretty much be useless because I will look at a car behind me and it is basically a blur, but when it is cool outside the mirror doesn't move near as much. Could it be the mirror or is it truly the speakers? I would like to point some attention back to the only 200 watts to the subs.

[two4fifteen]

so your saying you can't hear an audible difference, your just concerned your mirror isnt moving as much?

[captaincheesey]

Basically, so I guess it is pretty newbish of me? Anyways, disregard my comment like that.

[phthisis]

You could always get a home subwoofer plate amp for the subs.http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?&DID=7&Partnumber=300-808

[solacedagony]

You won't need nearly as much power for your sub in the house to get as comparatively loud due to the immense road noise that you get while driving. You can use house or car subs in the home since they're both speakers nonetheless. PE sells a bunch of different plate amps. You can also venture into powering your speakers with Pro Sound rack amplifiers.

[captaincheesey]

After puerusing my room, spell check on the second word, I have noticed that one sub would be all that would fit in the spot I want it, because a two sub box would be too long. So, now that we have found the solution for amp and all that good stuff, I think I need suggestions on a sub that would thump, although not so much that things will shake, such as walls and lighting fixtures, but will give me that clean crisp bass sound I want. I also live in a city called Evansville and I am limited to basically, Crossfire, Alpine, Diamond, Alphasonik, Pioneer/Premier, Kicker, JL Audio, Kenwood, Lightning Audio, and I think that is about it. I am going to go to a small audio shop instead of big places like Best Buy, Circuit City, or Wal-Mart for subs. The amp I would more than likely order offline with the other things needed. An alpine type-E I think might suffice, maybe if I must go to Circuit City an MTX 4500, Kicker comp from Dr. Dashboard or if they have little JLs I could go that route.

[solacedagony]

How much are you looking to spend? Look at the Dayton 10/12 or some Peerless subs. Both excellent, esp for the money.

Edit: Sorry for the delayed response. www.partsexpress.com or www.madisound.com for speakers.

[captaincheesey]

Quick announcement: I have two speakers in my room that my step brother took the woofers out of, I will measure them tomorrow, but I am wondering if you would suggest me putting a coupld JL W1v2s in? Because getting ahold of those size wouldn't be that hard, and I am sure and they would only need like 125 watts a piece which is near optimum.


Like this amp, http://www.woofersetc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=249

And two of these probably http://www.woofersetc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=2731

[sinister audio]

i just got a new baby for my HT. an RE SE15 in a 6cube box tuned to 25hz

[phthisis]

I just put an SE12 in my room for my HT. 3 cube box tuned to 25hz. But anyway, I am curious to the setup that you want to run.
Do you plan on running them off of say a Stereo system with RCA output or a HT receiver with RCA or LFE output?
If you really want to put subs in your room I would suggest going with a home amplifier instead of a car amplifier. Something like a plate amp so that you can hook it up to the stereo or HT receiver without needing the dc power supply and other stuff.

[captaincheesey]

I guess I will go with a plate amp, but I am not looking for something with a massive amount of power, of course it won't take much to make the house shake so I want something weak. The JLs seem to be the sub of coice right now, because they can be wired for 8ohms.

[sinister audio]

plate amps work great but so do pro amps and alot of those will run 1 or 2 ohms.

[solacedagony]

I guess I will go with a plate amp, but I am not looking for something with a massive amount of power, of course it won't take much to make the house shake so I want something weak. The JLs seem to be the sub of coice right now, because they can be wired for 8ohms.

Yes, I was going to suggest you look at getting a plate amp. Also, like sinister said, pro amps also, but they will (probably) be a bit more expensive in general. Behringer makes pretty cheap pro amps, although their quality isn't all that great. But you get what you pay for.
I would also suggest you look at Dayton or Peerless for a sub.
Dayton's reference sub line is pretty nice. Not that expensive for a 15" either. http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/pshowdetl.cfm?&DID=7&Partnumber=295-469 and http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?DID=7&PartNumber=300-752 for an amplifier for it.
Peerless' XLS and XXLS are a bit more expensive, but are great subs as well. www.madisound.com for those.

[captaincheesey]

Ok, here is the low down. I have a ten inch space provided, the box is sealed and what not, but I have to search for other things that might propose a problem. These subs are for my room, being 17 and still living with my family in a middle class three bedroom house, the space is limited so basically, I am going for less boom than these 15 inch subs everyone is trying to pitch is going to allow. couldn't I just buy a couple 2-Channel amps, bridge them to get an 8 ohm load, and hook em up for these JLs? I know you guys are pushing actual home audio, but I heard that a friend of my brother has 4 12 inch MTXs in his house, the car ones. So I am just wondering if that would work. If I would I would find someone who can wire these or ask you guys for the help and I would be set.

If you need the link for the subs I'll be glad to provide it. They are JL W1v2, basically the chaper ones in the bunch. This might possibly become a next summer project or spring project for me before I go off to college. Maybe my mother will let me keep her speakers so I can set them up in my dorm. THe price range I am shooting for is about 500 max., this includes wires, subs, and amps. If neccesary I'll bump it up a couple hundred for amps since I know they will run quite a bit.

[captaincheesey]

I looked at products, and all JL stuff, including dual amp wires is gonna run me about 670. I'll post the amp and wires and subs for you.

http://www.woofersetc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=2731 -subs

http://www.woofersetc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=252
-amp

http://www.woofersetc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=21
-amp kit

[GlassWolf]

keep in mind this is in a large room, and not a car cabin, so a sealed box is going to roll off at 12dB/octave.
If you wnt a "flat" response in a house, use a ported enclosure. the rise from the port will compensate for the roll off. there is no cabin gain to give a ported box the "oomph" you're used to in a car.
this is why most home subs come ported.

[captaincheesey]

I remeasured the space a while back, it is made for 8 inch subs. The original ones in there are still in working order, WOOT! But, I am wanting to get rid of them. They are very old, my mother had them when I was born I think so we are talking at least 17 years old. Anyways, I know there are dealers on here and I was wondering if you guys could get RF P2s or P3s for cheap. That is what I ultimately are going for.

Reply please, possibly with a price list? If no one on here sells or can sell cheaper than what they offer online I'll probably ust buy from soniceletronix.