Team WP Beta subs

[Bwcad1]

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k134/bwcad1/WPWOOFER003.jpg
http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k134/bwcad1/WPWOOFER002.jpg
http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k134/bwcad1/WPWOOFER001.jpg

2k rms
1.25 inches of xmax
dual .7 coils
3 inch coil
320oz motor

any questions just ask

[Darthness]

i'll give you my right nut for a sub, and the left (bigger) one for an amp and box.

[cargodz]

Do all of them come with that custom dust cap? :p lol

Wow Bill, Glad to see you're on your way to getting these done ;)

[colemanyoungerinalaska]

how does it sound

[William from NOLA]

Your pics say 2006

[Bwcad1]

i set the camera wrong. and im waiting for the ca to dry so its got that bad ass manilla folder cap.

[William from NOLA]

righttttt...

I just think you found pics on the net. :D

[Bwcad1]

lawl

[Ryan from Ohio]

carbon fiber dust caps!!!11111

[breakjunki]

so whats your msrp on em bill?:thumbsup Looks good, thats a 15? Are you planning on selling them as a driver line,or just using them team wise.?

[Airforceyooper]

looks good!

[loudwagon15s]

humm some of that woofer looks familiar

[Bwcad1]

probably gonna sell them. im looking at 350-375 as there all hand made with custom options.

[joeyc]

can't wait to get one and get my bump chica bowow on!

[Bwcad1]

note to self check tinsel lead alignment and terminal alignment before gluing :(

[smoker]

note to self check tinsel lead alignment and terminal alignment before gluing :(


that sucks!!!!!!!!!!!!Lol

[Bwcad1]

dude you have no idea. i had it lined up right the first time. but then realized i forgot to put a bead on the basket for the surround pulled it up and put the glue down and i was in such a hurry to get it back together before it started setting it i forgot to realign it.

[smoker]

screw terminals, just come right out of them with 8 guage wire

[smoker]

like this

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pio/pe/images/portal/cit_3442/35327TS-W5000SPL%20big.jpg

[Bwcad1]

yea but the problem is keeping them apart.

[Ryan from Ohio]

use wire with silicone insulation ;)

Ulta flexible!

[Scarrell]

f the subs.. i want the Mongoose

[smoker]

glad to see im not the only one with a steak knife in his toolbox....

[Bwcad1]

jur damn right! comes in handy!

[brent]

Thats hilarious, I have a steak knife in my tool box also

[joeyc]

you mean there are people who don't have steak knives in there tool box? lol

[cargodz]

you mean there are people who don't have steak knives in there tool box? lol
My wife got pissed when we bought a knife set and got some freebee steak knifes and a couple pairing, One steak and one pairing went straight to the garage... I was like "Quit your bitchin, I'm not takin the ones we paid for :p "

[whataburger]

Wow, I can't believe it, I just looked! I have a steak knife too!!

[Bwcad1]

should i change the title of the thread to who has a steak knife? haha.

[cargodz]

So now that we know a lil more about the Beta.... When is the Alpha coming?

[Airforceyooper]

I suck. I don't have a steak knife. I do have a spiderco and a couple different leathermans though. Can I still be in the group? Please. I'll sit quietly in the back and just smile ... you won't even know I'm there.

[smoker]

nope, not the same, until youve had to endure the look on your wifes face when a steak knife is missing you will never have earned the right to have a steak knife as a tool and there is no substitute

[cargodz]

Sorry Rob, I gotta agree with Terry on this one... Just conveniently grab one out the drawer on your way to the garage and slip it in your box ;)

Now I suppose I really need to ask... Do we NEED a steak knife as an installation tool for the TWP Beta? or does it just make the install go more smoothly? and is it going to be on the list of tools needed for install on the manual?

[Airforceyooper]

ok fine, I'll grab one tonight when I'm doing the dishes. If she kicks my ass because of a missing steak knife, I'm off the forum! You guys will owe me big time. lol

oh yeah ... sweet sub!

[cargodz]

Like it would be the first time you ever had your ass handed to you by your wife :p

[Airforceyooper]

true, true ...

[Bwcad1]

Good news the TWP subs are being assembled and im taking orders. lead time is about 2 weeks PM me for pricing.

[smoker]

i want a special order 48" sub

[Bwcad1]

i can make it. gonna cost about 5k though.

[CaptainPioneer]

I checked my toolbox... AND I SUCK... I dont have a Steak knife in there... but for some odd reason i have a spork and a butter knife.. .wtf?!

[brent]

I checked my toolbox... AND I SUCK... I dont have a Steak knife in there... but for some odd reason i have a spork and a butter knife.. .wtf?!


Counts all the same. Your in!

Congrats on production Bill, ready to see some install pics and video

[CaptainPioneer]

Hey Bill u making those only in 15"? Or is there a 10"?

[cargodz]

Hey Bill u making those only in 15"? Or is there a 10"?
^ Good question... Are they gonna be available in different sizes or just the 15" for now?
And what are the different options available?

[Bwcad1]

10 possibly im working on it ;) 12 15 and 18s for sure coils of dual .7 1.4 1 and 2 ohm. basket options as follows the basket above six spoke in black or red and the standard 12 spoke in black or silver. single dual or quad spiders.

[scotts1000rr]

You know how some equipment comes with special tools included(allen wrench or whatever) you should include a steak knife with your subs then no one will feel left out

[smoker]

no one can give you a steak knife, you have to earn it.....

[scotts1000rr]

this is true. its hard to get it out of the kitchen even harder to keep it out

[Bwcad1]

someone will end up getting murderd with the provided steak knife because my shits so loud!

[scotts1000rr]

lmao

[breakjunki]

so ya never filled us in on the performance of em Bill? What kinda results/performance did you get from these? or expect? I figured you've beat the hell out of one by now:thumbsup

[Bwcad1]

havent been able to waiting on dust caps.

[joeyc]

butter knives are better for prying something that you don't want to damage. They bend at a certain amount of pressure so as not to damage..stuff! lol

[smoker]

joey your sig kicks ass!!! i gots to get me one of them exhaust tips

[Darthness]

btw bill any word on my amp since me and you are never on AIM at the same time and im too lazy to send you a PM? lol

[cargodz]

so ya never filled us in on the performance of em Bill? What kinda results/performance did you get from these? or expect? I figured you've beat the hell out of one by now:thumbsup
Yeah, You definately gots to get a dust cap on one so you can let everybody know the "true" limitations of these things :thumbsup

[CaptainPioneer]

God Knows Bill will most likely set this sucker on Fire given that he has enough free time and enough wattage lol... By the way.. My Butter Knife has my First Initial Engraved on it so i know its mine... heheh

[Bwcad1]

ive never set anything on fire ;)










yet

[CaptainPioneer]

really? U've never plugged a sub u hated into a wall socket and watched it burn? lol

[Bwcad1]

yea ive wall socketed an MT before but it didnt catch on fire sparked like crazy and exploded but didnt burn.

[CaptainPioneer]

haahah well close enough.. Why would u socket an MT? wouldnt it just be easier to give it to me? lol probably not but oh well

[Bwcad1]

this was before i knew it was a bad idea before reconing :( i got scolded by mike stiers of maxxsonics for that one lol. coil welded to the pole is a bitch to get out. ill never do that one again lol.

[CaptainPioneer]

did u at least videotape that? lol

[Bwcad1]

nope

[CaptainPioneer]

ah oh well... i tried to videotape when i blew out an old hifonics sub that i got for free but somehow the video clip corrupted on my computer... THis sucker was old though... I think it was a hifonics Zeus sub... the one that had the red cone on it i could be wrong i think it was a Hifonics... it definitely said zeus on it though lol

[cargodz]

Heck we were wall socketing subs left and right at the builds and none of them caught fire...
So when should we expect you to have a dust cap and some real world performance figures for us?

[Bwcad1]

got a dust cap from one of the elevations on tonight and glued the damn tinsels on on the left piece and need to get more butt connectors for the right side. then testing!

[Darthness]

........

[cargodz]

got a dust cap from one of the elevations on tonight and glued the damn tinsels on on the left piece and need to get more butt connectors for the right side. then testing!
So when are you expecting your dust caps to be in? Or is that the last piece of the puzzle that's pushing it out a couple weeks on assembly?

And If these lil puppies have what you say they have for excursion... You're definately gonna HAVE TO video tape that :)

[Bwcad1]

the dust caps should be in with the cone assemblies. what takes so long for production is because im building them by hand and have to do some custom work to the baskets and i have to machine a .25 spacer.

[CaptainPioneer]

Ah u can prolly do that in ur sleep!! LOL jk some day when u have a huge company and u have all ur little grunts making these subs for you u will look back on this and remember all the hard work u put into it lol

[Bwcad1]

thats what they all say lol. sooo uh who wants one!

[CaptainPioneer]

So u think they will be good in a Sealed box as well?

[Bwcad1]

blasphemous

[cargodz]

So u think they will be good in a Sealed box as well?
Such a statement would call for a hanging at one of the builds... Good thing your a ways away from Bill or he'd be pullin the gun out right about now... That's to say if he hasn't already shot his computer for your question :p

[Bwcad1]

So u think they will be good in a Sealed box as well?

i have slaughtered six baby midgets in response to said question.

but to be honest sure they would work. but y would you do it lol. the subs designed to be a high powerhandling SQL woofer use the sub to the best of its advantage and put it in a moderate ported box with about 1800 to 2200 watts and watch your windshield.

[CaptainPioneer]

i have slaughtered six baby midgets in response to said question.

Thank god I hate midgets! LOL ...

Well The reason i ask is if the price is right and the build that i think i will do I will just rebuild my box in my truck to accomodate the 15" sub. I think i could easily get about 4cuft out of it.and its already built to size... Adding a port or ports could take a bit of work unless i did multiple ones... at short depths.

[Bwcad1]

3.25cf tuned to 45hz with 2 4 inch aeros or a slot port should yield the results your looking for.

[CaptainPioneer]

oh really? Hmmm well then yea but the only problem is the length on those ports might extend past the depth of my enclosure unless i do 3 inch ports and port on the top. Its ok to Use PVC pipes right?

[Bwcad1]

nah if your gonna use pvc just use a slot. if you buy one ill send you the design

[CaptainPioneer]

I cant make the slot for the box that i have in mind at least not easily... Ill use the stupid PNR ports if ur gonna be that way lol...

[cargodz]

Aeros would yeild a better sound anyway if your wanting SQ ;)

[Bwcad1]

aeros = louder = aeros = better sound bill wolf = teh jesus.

[Darthness]

bill wanna trade my Q for a TWP sub?

[CaptainPioneer]

aeros = louder = aeros = better sound bill wolf = teh jesus.

HEHE Like how mexican's say that jesus = "HEY ZEUS"


hehe i do want good SQ out of it, but it will be in the truck... Let me get a pic of what i currently run and ill show u what i want to do by explaining it to ya...

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/1/web/673000-673999/673008_13_full.jpg

again forget about the stupid looking pod that is long gone... but yea basically i want to use the same box but i will put a new front on it to be outfitted for a 15" if indeed i can fit one on there... i want to put it dead center... and i was thinking about putting the ports on the top... How does that sound?

[cargodz]

Sounds like it should work well... 2 aeroports (1 on each end), should give you the response your looking for and still get hella loud :D

[CaptainPioneer]

well then thats great cause i dont want to have to build another one of those boxes... that sucker was a bigun lol

[Bwcad1]

how deep is it?

[smoker]

mines about 3 inches

[CaptainPioneer]

Ill get back to you on that one Bill... I think the top is something like 5" but the bottom should be around 13-15 inches... Again i really gotta look and measure it again...

[cargodz]

Whats the mounting depth on the TWP?

[Bwcad1]

about 8.5

[cargodz]

Ill get back to you on that one Bill... I think the top is something like 5" but the bottom should be around 13-15 inches... Again i really gotta look and measure it again...
about 8.5
Ouch that may be a really close fit... You may have to add another sheet of mdf to the front if you've got the room.

[CaptainPioneer]

I think i can do that... It shouldnt inhibit too too much... I gave up a couple years ago sacrificing leg and back reclining room for my audio set ups... This box is really the first and best one that i can remember that has accommodated for me perfectly as well as housed the subs well...

I forgot to measure it last night but in all fairness... I didnt really get home untill 11 last night after my soccer game... and of course drinks with the boys lol

[Bwcad1]

drinks > Measuring but Drinks/measuring < Pussy.

[CaptainPioneer]

hehehe oh Jease... You are just full of Pithy comebacks

[Bwcad1]

I = teh greatness mang

[CaptainPioneer]

well i think George Bush would take offense to you saying that as it would be against his "Strategery" to be the greatest man ever known lol

[Bwcad1]

he lies.

[CaptainPioneer]

Well jease ya think? lol

[cargodz]

Ya know... A beer does sound really good right about now :)
And this is me on my way to the fridge.... Pause for station break from our sponsor "Car Godz Custom Concepts, Hear it, See it, Feel it, Punch It!, They got crap for your ride too, Proud Sponsor of Team Wolf Pack!"....

And now I'm back with Killians in hand :p lol

[CaptainPioneer]

Thats funny thats what i was drinking last night! lol

[cargodz]

Thats funny thats what i was drinking last night! lol
And although I did have to type all that out... I did take a quick break from typing to actually go get the beer :happy055:

[Bwcad1]

got 4 TWP subs built today tired as hell going to comp tomorrow to see how many i can roast

[swimmerdude]

wooooooot, i get to see TWP subs tomorrow.........
and run 2 TWP subs tomorrow!!!!! WOOOOOOOOT:sm29: :sm29:

[joeyc]

okie dokie bill, get ready to make two more.........I'll hit you up on wp or aim

[cargodz]

If you get time and your TL with ya, you may want to see what just one will do... Just to get some info on what a single does ;)

[Bwcad1]

35.6 A x 84.6 v = 3011.76 = 2.37 reactive load. per coil ;)


yes thats right 6000 wrms for 3 mins playing everything down to 10hz. pics vids and there were about 8 people who witnessed it.

we had 2 MM4000.1s one per coil on the sub. in a 45hz tuned box. i wanted to tourture test this woofer and we did.

[breakjunki]

I even went over to the wolf pack site.. you have to post your vids and pics.. did you TL the beast? not to shabby.. and all that without any magic white smoke:thumbsup ......nice

[Bwcad1]

o no it died. it died after 3 mins i was trying to kill it. im waiting for mookie/mike grice/swimmerdude to email me the pics and vids we metered it and mookie was as loud with 2 of mine as he was with his 4 autotek 15s and my amp fried before i could burp it.

[breakjunki]

aaahh. thats cool, glad they turned out to be bad ass..I'm over on your site now.. ellerts trying to upload a vid.. I have to see ya blowin this thing up..

[CaptainPioneer]

Hey Bill where are you getting your parts from? TC Sounds? BTW some guy at the comp today said he knows of you so your fame has reached as far as CT/NY

[loudwagon15s]

that woofer went through hell and came back. This is the last of its playing....about 3 minutes on 6000 rms. http://s152.photobucket.com/albums/s161/cellert/?action=view&current=e9f8463f.flv

[Bwcad1]

no i dont get my parts from TC.

[Darthness]

btw, don't forget about my amps when you repair the ones you've blown.

[Bwcad1]

what was the guys name jay or what car?

[breakjunki]

bill... that was awesome... enuff said:happy055:

[loudwagon15s]

what was the guys name jay or what car? Are you talkin about in the vid? I'm not sure of the guys name, but i do know that his car was a grand prix

[Bwcad1]

i was talking to jay you tard. jay as in captain pioneer.

[neumann]

my amp fried before i could burp it.
at least you still got 14 points:thumbsup

[cargodz]

Love it... Not only did you burn coil(s) to the point of smell, but you actually had smoke rollin out. That's some awesome performance right there ;)
You didn't get a reading on it when you did that did ya?, curious as to what numbers it would have put up before going up in smoke.

[CaptainPioneer]

Ah jease i dont remember his name but he was a big black dude... who was majorly cool... He was running an older Hatchback white i believe... Its a pretty cool car i think he ran something like a 156 or 158

[Bwcad1]

sweet. and no we didnt mike we were turture testing the sub while playing 10 and 20hz wouldnt have been any impressive numbers.

[cargodz]

You were running it at extended periods of time at 10-20Hz :surprised and it held for that long... That's what I'm talking about :attitude :happy055:

[CaptainPioneer]

Bill u know if the money is right and I can get the right deals on the power for the truck.. hopefully in a few years I will be able to do that Blow through and i wouldnt consider running anything except your subs... of course i might require some guidance from a certain somebody who knows there shtuff bout spl... cough cough Bill ... lol

[cargodz]

Did I hear somebody right?... Did I hear Blowthrough?...
:DBLOWTHROUGH!:D

[CaptainPioneer]

u know it! If things go right in the next year or 2... that will be the plan... 2 15's in a custom box which no doubt will have to be designed by Bill... But yea thats the plan...
I figure somethign like 6-8 batts a HO alt... 2 of Bill's 15" subs. And prolly 2 4000 watt amps... sounds right??

If I can start saving the money now... yea in 2 years that will be the big project...

Its either that or the Brew room that i have always wantted.

[cargodz]

Beer can be bought... Go with the Blowthrough :p

[William from NOLA]

Beer can be bought... Go with the Blowthrough :p
:surprised ...buy...... BEER??? :argh

[Bwcad1]

knifes to beer. i thought this was about woofer? lol

[Wattage]

That woofer looks like it's going to be insane.

[swimmerdude]

videos of the WP Woofer....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etOnQaHpXeg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QLjYL-5eSM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwS3Nfq_yNE

That box was tuned to 45hz, and we were having it play things WAY below that.... so needless to say, we were putting a lot of stress on the woofer that way, and then we clamped the amps that were powering it (2 MM4000's) and got just under 6k of power to it. And we figure that was some clipped power too.

[swimmerdude]

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s38/flyinonwater/audiopics065.jpg

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s38/flyinonwater/audiopics066.jpg

pictures of a WP coil vs. RE MT coil.... the WP coil is on the left guys;)

[William from NOLA]

Big-ness!

[Bwcad1]

u know it.

[cargodz]

Very Nice ;)
And I swear I saw that thing briefly max out at what looked to be nearly 2 inches of excursion in the vid... is that right? or am I just seeing things funny.

[CaptainPioneer]

Jease Bill... So what kinda numbers do you think you will put up given the correct box and electrical system?

[Bwcad1]

well thats to difficult to predict are we talking extreme cars or daily driving what kind of power what kind of setup.

[CaptainPioneer]

Ok lets talk Best Case scenario given these subs optimal conditions so probably extreme cars

[Bwcad1]

190million dbz. honestly cant tell you. way to many variables

[brtnboarder3241]

nice.....

[cargodz]

well thats to difficult to predict are we talking extreme cars or daily driving what kind of power what kind of setup.
Ok variables... But what would the optimum enclosure be? Vented and Sealed... I only mentioned sealed cause you know somebody else would ask if I didn't and you know that I would never ruin the true nature of the WP sub with a sealed box :)
And with that what would be the optimum power for each?

[Bwcad1]

the thing is i build to suit the box and the power. but for mainstream im gonna say 2krms. for the 15 it seems to like 4.5cf ported with 96sq of port.

[joeyc]

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW!
lol

Why is it that some dufus has to always try and touch the cone of a sub? There is some strange type of magnetism to a woofer............oh yeah, that was a good one!

[Bwcad1]

that would be me smartass lol. i was looking at the excursion using my finger as a guide as to how far the sub was moving

[jonnyb]

every time someone touches my sub, i swear, i get closer and closer to punching someone in the throat.

[Bwcad1]

haha lol. well its my sub so its ok. and i will never let anyone else touch my subs lol.

[joeyc]

I'm the same way, I touch my subs all the time, but no one else can.

[CaptainPioneer]

Bill... seriously... can i touch your subs? Im really gentle ;)

[Wattage]

Bill... seriously... can i touch your subs? Im really gentle ;)

lol

[William from NOLA]

Bill... seriously... can i touch your subs? Im really gentle ;)
There really are some scary postings on our forum lol!

[cargodz]

Really Scary :surprised lol

Jay... Go touch your own :p lol

[Bwcad1]

u can touch my woofer all night long!

[swimmerdude]

oh baby!

[joeyc]

omg, how did I know mookie would like hearing you say that bill? lmao

[OnYrMrk]

<slowly backing away from the computer>
ARGH!!!!! THIS THREAD REEKS OF GAY!!!!


:scorp: :scorp: :scorp:

:ditto :ditto :ditto

[Bwcad1]

joe i should build you an sq woofer

[cargodz]

joe i should build you an sq woofer
Actually not a bad idea... Although I can't stand to think that people don't like getting really loud... I suppose there are people that actually like to hear the music at full volume.

[brtnboarder3241]

im hopefully getting one of these babies soon..yay

[CaptainPioneer]

MmmHmmm... You really think that you would build an SQ woofer?

[OnYrMrk]

joe i should build you an sq woofer


I would be all for that. Keep me posted Bill

[cargodz]

Might as well go for the SQ... Make it a good affordable daily with the ability to take some real power to boot ;)