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    Default Does the placement of subs matter?

    There has always been a huge question on which way your subs should face for them to bet he loudest. Some people say facing into the cabin, some people say firing towards the rear of the trunk. The truth is both, to a certain extent.

    This will be broken into three categories, coupe/sedan (non-hatch), hatchback, truck/SUV.

    Coupe/Sedan

    We will start with the most extensive one to explain. This one will be best explained with illustrations, as well.

    Have you ever noticed that your bass sounds louder with the trunk open? It is because of cancellation. When an enclosure is placed in a trunk with the woofers facing forward into the cabin (see fig. 1 below), the primary sound wave passes through the rear seat and enters the passenger compartment. Simultaneously, waves are reflected into the trunk and then exit out of phase from the primary wave. This reflection causes cancellation :



    Opening the trunk allows the out-of-phase waves to escape and no longer cancel the primary waves. Since there is no more cancellation, you will hear and feel an increase in bass with the trunk open, as seen in figure 2 :



    Simply facing the enclosure towards the rear of the car helps eliminate the cancellation by sending all bass into the trunk before it enters the passenger compartment, however this may cause the trunk the rattle and vibrate.



    If you desire the best performance and have the time and/or money, then the example in fig. 4 is the way to go. First, a baffle must be built to seal the trunk completely. The baffle should have a hole that the speakers will fire through. The angle of the sub enclosure's front face should match that of the baffle. Slide the box up to the baffle and screw in place. When done correctly, bass will not be able to enter the trunk and cancel. Once complete, try this test : Sit in teh car while the system is playing (with doors and windows closed). Have someone open and close the trunk, there should be no difference. If opening and closing the trunk still makes a noticeable difference, then the baffle must be sealed better.




    Hatchback

    A hatchback is much more simple then a normal coupe/sedan. The best way in a hatchback is to simply have the subs and ports fire straight up at the rear glass. If the ports for any reason can not face straight up at the glass, face them into the cabin.


    Truck/SUV

    The setup in an SUV is very subjective, but from personal experience I would face the subs straight up at the roof of the vehicle, with the ports on the same surface. Some people also choose to face the subs to the rear of the vehicle with the ports on the top. Like I said, it is all very subjective. Try both, see which you prefer.

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    Which way to point your subwoofer box
    by Eddie Runner

    Which way to aim a trunk mounted woofer box in a car has been quite a topic of speculation for years. Folks, through experimenting have found that oftentimes the woofer box sounds much better when aimed backwards, the explanations I hear for why this works are usually quite absurd.

    One absurd explanation is "the sound wave travels further when the box aims to the rear and by traveling further it sounds better. " Not true, sound actually looses volume as it travels, not becoming louder like his explanation seems to imply!

    Folks also say "the wave has more room to develop." Well I don't like this explanation either, sound can really reinforce itself amazingly well in a small enclosed space without the need for any wave developing space!
    And there used to be a story floating around called "bass trap" which inferred a magical property of some cars to eat up all the bass and not let it get to your ears.

    There still really exists, a problem of building a wonderful well thought out and superbly engineered woofer box which makes bass so perfect my eyes water, with only a few watts of input on my test bench, but then barely has any output when installed into the car, this has driven me nuts for years.
    Or, building a great box for 12's and installing it only to have less bass than the one I did the day before in a different car using only 8's.

    The big clue came when I noticed there was much more bass with the trunk open than with the trunk closed!

    How the hell can that happen???

    Opening the trunk lets sound escape(!), letting sound go away cant possible be a good thing. Then why does opening the trunk make the bass inside the car much louder????

    I dragged out the test equipment (audio Oscillators, RTAs, Pink noise generators, and built me a couple of test boxes to experiment with.

    -B&K Sweep Oscillator, this thing will make any tone you can hear and can sweep through them automatically.

    -Fluke Benchmeter, very accurate for watching and comparing levels

    -HP Audio sine oscillator , can make any tone without the automatic sweep of the previous unit.

    -Audio Control RTA, it's like you can WATCH the sounds.

    -Sound Technology Audio Oscillator, Distortion analyzer, volt meter

    -Oscilloscope

    -HP Audio distortion analyzer and super sensitive volt meter.

    After a few days of playing with all the fun toys I discovered the bass that goes away when opening the trunk was causing cancellation when kept in the car (trunk closed), and turning the box backward made less of a difference when opening the trunk, and moving the box all the way to the back of the trunk eliminated having an increase in SPL when opening the trunk totally.

    In summary I found:
    1. box at front of trunk speakers aiming forward or up through the rear deck = poor in car bass response, much better with trunk open.
    2. box at front of trunk speakers aiming backward = better in car bass response by far, slightly better with trunk open.
    3. box at back of trunk with speakers aiming forward = better in car bass, no difference with trunk open.
    4. box at back of trunk with speakers aiming backward = best in car bass response and gets less bass with trunk open.

    I used sine waves and mapped out the phase relationships between the incident (direct) sound wave entering the car and the reflected wave that hits the back of the trunk and reflects forward. Since the reflection is bounced into the listening area, you can treat them much the same as having two sources...

    I drew some pictures to illustrate what I found.


    In this picture, try to imagine the back of the trunk is the vertical black line at the left of the picture and the little square is the speaker box. This picture is an illustration of what happens when sound comes out of the right side (front side) of the little square speaker box. Sound actually goes forward into the car (incident wave (RED)) and also backwards to reflect off of the back of the trunk (reflected wave (YELLOW))... Both the incident wave and reflected wave get to the listener but they are way way out of phase causing mucho cancellation in the listening area. If you could open the trunk, the reflected wave would disappear and NOT reflect back into the car thus no cancellation...


    In this picture, the speaker box has been aimed at the trunk instead of in the car and it is plain to see the incident and reflected wave are not nearly so much out of phase as in picture 1! Resulting in much better bass!


    This picture it represents the speaker box being moved to the rear of the trunk with the speakers aiming forward. The waves are a little closer to being in phase with each other. (were gettin there!)


    Finally, in this picture we are aiming the rear mounted speaker box to the rear so the incident and reflected wave are very close to being in perfect phase, reinforcing each other quite well.

    These pictures are simulating a 60Hz bass note with the rear of the box mounted approximately 3 feet from the back of the trunk (reflector)

    Keep in mind we are only discussing the incident and rear reflected sound in an effort to try to simplify this, the reflecting sound waves in a car are much more complex than these drawings indicate but we must start simple before we work ourselves into the more complex, hopefully this will be a nice foundation for those of you who wish to study this phenomenon further.

    And for those that have the mindset that this can't be true because the interior of cars are small in relation to bass wavelengths, so what? The full wavelength does not have to completely develop to be OUT OF PHASE or IN PHASE with its own reflected sound. The pictures above are showing a 60Hz wavelength and the bounce distance to reflect back out of phase a complete 180 degrees is just over 4 ft. At higher frequencies the distance is less (120Hz is 2.3ft).


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