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Yea the sad part about what I said is I just took a 400 level mastery course on the Ottoman Empire!! :O Ugh that just tells me that summer has set in and my mind is not functioning correctly... I better start researching in my off time..

Don't even worry about it dude. It took me having to watch a gun and rifle show to learn about Turkey. They make good quality hunting guns. So I was bored one day and read up on Turkey.

Wait a second...

I am incorrect about that... oh jease... now I feel like an ass... where im I getting my facts from... I must be completely confused with another country...

I apologize for that statement... I mixed it up with something else...

[quote="NorthQuad"]Actually, Turkey is very much a Muslim religious population.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Turkey[/url][/quote]
lol 99.8% is good enough for me

Actually, Turkey is very much a Muslim religious population.

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Turkey[/url]

Jeremy, Not to say anything wrong about where you are or where you have been... but Turkey is not a primarily Muslim country. There is a very large population of Christians there.. One of my professors is from Turkey and practices Islam. But anyway... About Bin Laden...

Hell yea we trained him and hell yea we screwed him over too. His war is not a holy war (Although he says so) its all about revenge. He uses the image of religion to get people stirred up against the western threat.

Even before the U.S was ever involved in the region there were western powers trying to subvert and destroy Islam... Look at the later crusades as well as Britain's and Frances involvement in Syria, Lebennon, the Balkans, and Turkey.

Jeremy, I have not been to Turkey but speaking secondhandedly, my mother just came back from Egypt, and trust me there were many discussions relating to Muslims and Christians interplay in the world while she was there. Muslims dont hate American's or Christians, there are a few bad apples who convolute societies perception of what Islam means. This is just like our crazy nut job Christian pastors that go out and blame homosexuality for the cause of the holocaust and Muslims as an evil anti-christ group of people.

BTW i havnt seen Charlie Wilson's war yet but I have it... I'll let you know what I think... also Even if it is a true story there is no way our government would let us know half of what really went on in our CIA, FBI or other integral governmental organizations.

A good one to watch is The Good Shepherd...

I only watch these movies for entertainment value, not to unravel the secrecies of our government or the men who run them.

Hey Captain you should watch the movie Charley Wilson's War. Its based on a true story about afganastan, and how we HELPED Bin Laden defeat the soviet army. We pulled out there instead of rebuilding things, and look were we are at now?

Kinda funny, we trained bin laden, and gave him money and guns. Yet 10 years later who is he trying to kill? They don't care if we mess with their life, they don't care if we helped them win a war 10 years ago. In their minds we live in an on holy way, and so we should all die.

Hell right now, I'm living out of a hotel in one of the most religious cities in Turkey. I Just left the mall, full of muslins who have suffered thanks to our fathers, yet EVERY one of them treated me with the up most respect.

Well dammit. Im a bit disappointed this morning.

I will be voting McCain now unless he totally douches up before November.

I just dont like that Obama guy. Hes just to fake.

[quote="Bwcad1"]yea so we can get our ass handed to us by ****in terrorist because bill couldnt take care of business in the first place. blame bush all you want. he inherited an epic **** up.by no means am i defending him but he didnt walk into a the greatest thing in the world. its hilarious man everyone screams get the troops out but talk to the actual troops i haven't met a single one who said yea we should get out. every single one i have spoken to says were making leaps and strides and the people there love them.[/quote]

I guess you havnt met a lot of them... Bill not every soldier is going to say they want out... but quite a few that i have talked to including close friends all say they should cut their losses... Granted if we leave we "invite" terrorists to inhabit a broken state... but to be honest with you... If we want to not Invite terrorists into our country to bomb us and kill our population... we need to stop exerting our influence in places we dont belong.

Point and case... the only reason that we are the ppl who are seen as an Evil Empire in the world is because the UN always points us to do what they say. Sorry, history doesnt lie... the reason why terrorists hate us is because we mess with their way of life... not because they hate American Capitalism.

If you really want to blame any country for so much anti-american sentiment blame England, France, and Russia... Those are the historical players that messed with the entire region durring the 19th century on up to today... Whether it was by the means of economics, religion, politics, or trade... we have dug our own hole and the unfortunate outcome is that we have to deal with ppl hating us and wanting to kill us.

[quote="CaptainPioneer"]haah Bill they arent gonna take your guns... If you really want to be limited with your gun freedoms move to England... If your Wife shoots someone... and she has the weapon on your property, you go to jail too!!! lol

I cant wait to have Hildog back in the white house. Come on now... great economy, headlines where we actually cared about what the president was doing... And for christs sake....

BILL CLINTON!!!! If that doesnt make you happy then you can go suck my left nut![/quote]


yea so we can get our ass handed to us by ****in terrorist because bill couldnt take care of business in the first place. blame bush all you want. he inherited an epic **** up.by no means am i defending him but he didnt walk into a the greatest thing in the world. its hilarious man everyone screams get the troops out but talk to the actual troops i haven't met a single one who said yea we should get out. every single one i have spoken to says were making leaps and strides and the people there love them.