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smoker
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i guess i could expect this from a redkneck trying to elect 1 of the bigger devils into the White house.. its ok though i can feel your pain..calling a blazer a piece of crap.. i think for my age it is in pretty damn good shape and a hell of a lot luckier than most kids with having this... may i ask whats not a piece of crap car thats designed and engineered in the usa? I think its every 1 of each persons fault and them lacking in the field they pursued in college. Hence the whole companies failing. Its not if 1 person falls they all fall. Its a team effort to put a car together and when its not done to as so far to "impress" the consumer it fails.(hence the big 3)

ooo.. btw what do you drive?
ok, so you do or dont like your blazer? im a little confused cause first your pussy got out of wack about it and now your defending it.....im obviously a ford guy and since you asked, i drive a 1989 mustang lx. 5.0 convertible, approaching 150,000 miles. runs great, doesnt smoke or use oil and on the interstate will get almost 30 mpg....out of a 20 year old car.probably built before you were born so im sure you think its a dinosaur....but, the truth of the matter is, its a bulletproof car. as are the newer mustangs....300 horsepower and 30 mpg....or the corvette, i know a guy has a vette, runs 10's and gets 27 mpg.....the focus, the fusion, the explorer, the f150 and the 250 and 350....chevy silverados, the cobalt, pontiac g6....these are all examples of good cars, the new challenger is beautiful, the charger is a decent ride as is the 300...my wife drives a 96 plymouth grand voyager....135000 miles on it and its a beast....seats 7, gets decent gas mileage.

regardless here are some facts for you to absorb into your brain

As I watch the coverage of the fate of the U.S. auto industry, one alarming and frustrating fact hits me right between the eyes. The fate of our nation's economic survival is in the hands of some congressmen who are completely out of touch and act without knowledge of an industry that affects almost every person in our nation. The same lack of knowledge is shared with many journalists whom are irresponsible when influencing the opinion of millions of viewers.


Sen. Richard Shelby of Alabama has doomed the industry, calling it a dinosaur. No Mr. Shelby, you are the dinosaur, with ideas stuck in the '70s, '80s and '90s. You and the uninformed journalist and senators that hold onto myths that are not relevant in today's world.


When you say that the Big Three build vehicles nobody wants to buy, you must have overlooked that GM outsold Toyota by about 1.2 million vehicles in the U.S. and Ford outsold Honda by 850,000 and Nissan by 1.2 million in the U.S. GM was the world's No. 1 automaker beating Toyota by 3,000 units.


When you claim inferior quality comes from the Big Three, did you realize that Chevy makes the Malibu and Ford makes the Fusion that were both rated over the Camry and Accord by J.D. Power independent survey on initial quality? Did you bother to read the Consumer Report that rated Ford on par with good Japanese automakers.

Did you realize Big Three's gas guzzlers include the 33 mpg Malibu that beats the Accord. And for '09 Ford introduces the Hybrid Fusion whose 39 mpg is the best midsize, beating the Camry Hybrid. Ford's Focus beats the Corolla and Chevy's Cobalt beats the Civic.

and it continues
When you criticize the Big Three for building so many pickups, surely you've noticed the attempts Toyota and Nissan have made spending billions to try to get a piece of that pie. Perhaps it bothers you that for 31 straight years Ford's F-Series has been the best selling vehicle. Ford and GM have dominated this market and when you see the new '09 F-150 you'll agree this won't change soon.


Did you realize that both GM and Ford offer more hybrid models than Nissan or Honda. Between 2005 and 2007, Ford alone has invested more than $22 billion in research and development of technologies such as Eco Boost, flex fuel, clean diesel, hybrids, plug in hybrids and hydrogen cars.


It's 2008 and the quality of the vehicles coming out of Detroit are once again the best in the world.

After 9/11, the Detroit Three and Harley Davidson gave $40 million-plus emergency vehicles to the recovery efforts. What was given to the 9/11 relief effort by the Asian and European Auto Manufactures? $0 Nada. Zip!



i must be getting old because everytime i get a lifes view from someone who is still counting pubes i wonder what the hell their parents smoked...what do you mean you can feel my pain? bigger devils? are you serious? doesnt it concern you when other countries celebrate the election of an american president? i want them scared shitless and they are on tv jumping for joy...oh, well. im sure hell do a fine job.....and of course you had this little tidbit to share with us based on all your years of wisdom in the big world

I dont hate all american cars..but most suck

yea, well, i dont hate americans but, you suck
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oh, and all above quotes that were not from our resident genious were taken directly from an article written by and independent person with a successful dealership who would see none of the money from the bailout
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Uhm, If your blazer is getting less than 5 miles per gallon theres something seriously wrong with it...

ya think? probably a day at the shop and id have it doing a helluva lot better or at least find the problem....
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i just realized, your from obamas state.....probably got an oprah poster on your wall too....i gotta admit though, id do her,...hell yea, get some of that sweet, sweet oprah lovin.........id even put it on you tube......"oprah gets it from devil lovin redneck" hahahahahahalol.....
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Post by ZeroAccess »

Aight enough politics...
The whole things a wash anyways...
But I have been an import fan my entire life and said I'd never own a domestic vehicle. Well I now own an 05 Dodge Dakota Quad Cab and only owning it a week cannot be more impressed. I don't get the best gas mileage but hell its a mighty big v8 and I expected that. I also have an 86 Acura Integra thats prolly as old as you and its having a few problems now and days but nothing a few lines can't fix.

Basically though you sound like a whiny bitch I'm not gonna hold back or be nice to you but there are a TON of cars/trucks that you can own in the snow. Look around is EVERYONE driving Blazers? Your just reaching for excuses and not wanting to accept the fact that you don't take care of your vehicle.

2003 Blazer
Fuel Type Regular
MPG (city) 14
MPG (highway) 20
MPG (combined) 16

Those aren't bad numbers for the weight and power of the vehicle. Not the best but hell its a cheaper vehicle.
I'd assume yours is older though so lets back up some.

1995 Blazer
Fuel Type Premium
MPG (city) 15
MPG (highway) 22
MPG (combined) 18

HOLY SHIT! more back in the day than now? How is that possible probally due to the fact that smog issues and weight factors are playing a huge part.
So lets ignore all that for a moment and get down to the truth.

1.) Your Blazer has been been properly maintained or else you'd get better gas mileage hands down.
2.) You sound like a young kid who probally has a heavy foot and does a lot of stop and go driving since your not driving on the Interstate (most young kids don't do a lot of interstate driving).
3.) You have no true understanding of the economy even though a lot of Domestic automakers are struggling most is because of poor management and not poor vehicles.

I'll agree that imports are typically made better but now and days everything is made at the same plant. Did you know that Honda CRV's are made in Ohio? 100% in Ohio
So where do you live that NO ONE can drive around without a huge ass Blazer?
I see saint charles, IL so lets go one step farther and use this nifty thing called the internet and check your local car sales? I'm sure we'll find something other than Blazers...
There are two zipcodes for your area we'll chose the first one in the series
60174 and 60175 are the zips
Now lets do a search for 100-1,200 priced vehicles 25 miles from 60174

Autotrader Link here

Now look at that...what a wonderful contrast of vehicles
Imports and Domestics

Hell I think on the front page the only 4x4 is the Blazer listed but I did a super quick glance...

So what else you gonna spout back with?

Unless you have hard facts to back it up with I suggest you go work on your Blazer and get it running correctly.
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Post by Jon »

Well this thread got jacked, but I will comment on the entire thread.

To the OP, the whole issue was Ford protecting their brand and their logos. There were websites that were selling merchandise with a Ford logo on it. Basically, they did not license the right to sell a product with the Ford name on it. Ford would not have had as much of an issue had it not been for them making money off the deal. Nothing worng there IMHO.

As for the whole car issue. I drive a Honda. When I bought my '97 Civic back in '99, it was the best bang for the buck. It has been paid for since 2001. I have put maybe $500 ~ $1000 into regular maintenance over the years. A few sets of tires, brake pads, oil changes, one strut. Nothing major. So I would have to say that the car has been very good to me.

As for older American cars, they were always ugly IMO. They had very basic exteriors that made me cringe. That is a personal taste thing, not a quality thing. To me, there is no uglier car than the 90s Monte Carlo. I prefer the German / high end Jap look. The Audi is usually a very sleek looking car. I also have loved the BMW look for most of my life. Mercedes is meh.

As for quality, I know that American cars are getting better. Some of the cars I have seen mentioned above are not really American cars though. The Fusion is a great car, but it is made by Mazda. The new Malibu is a great looking car and is one of a few American cars I would test drive if I was in the market. I love the look of the Challenger, but I would never again buy a Chysler made vehicle. Not even a Jeep. I have owned / driven regularly a Dodge Aries, Dodge Neon, and a Jeep WJ. All three of those cars were some of the worst quality cars I have ever driven. My girlfriend has the 2000 WJ that keeps me busy most weekends. Rotors, brake pads, quaking doors, ceased rear gate lock, radiator fan relay module, vacuum lines, drivers seat mount, etc...

I would love to contribute to a quality car 100% made in America, but that is hard today. Like others have said many Jap cars are made here. But beyond that, most big 3 cars are not made here or are assmbled here from foreign parts.
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