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thats still 3 mm :D

ah crap you guys are right(were the hell did i see 19mm?) ah man all this time i tought the xxx and brahma were WAY ahead of xmax, damn.

yeah thats what it is

[quote]its 19mm so the xxx has way more, almost 50% more.[/quote]

Actually the 12W7 have 29mm, not 19. That's only I believe 3 mm less than the XXX.

[quote]I was like nah they are awesome possibly even better than jl subs[/quote]

possibley better?come on man

[quote]whats the xmax on a 12w7 anyways?[/quote]

its 19mm so the xxx has way more, almost 50% more.

[quote] lol id really think about it but i really like the extra spl you get from 12s[/quote]

TRUST me 2 10's would be standable with MOST sub, but youre forgetting there xxx's, if you port them, give them more than 600rms, maybe 1000rms each, get a 4 volt HU, you probably will stomp on those w7's. imagine shitting on youre pals 12's with youre 10's LOL, if i were you id take those 10's from justin, you will SAVE big time.

[quote="Justin from Detroit"]Not good enough for me? Quite the opposite actually. They are INCREDIBLY LOUD, and I was only giving them 1/3 of their recommended power. I just purchased a pair of Rainbow Vanadium subwoofers, noit much better in my opinion. I'm going for a pure SQ setup now.

In case you were wondering, I hit 143.1 with the pair, only giving them 1/3 of their RMS power, very impressive. I'm asking $650 SHIPPED. Incredible good deal considering they weigh 60 pounds each and shipping is expensive.[/quote]

(not talking to you justin, just going off of what you said :) ) talking to you mith

believe me...2 10"s is not going to be quiet. They are going to be quite loud, naturally 2 12"s are going to be a bit louder. XXX's have 32mm of xmax...take a sub you have or find one and take out a measuring tape or ruler and measure 32mm outwards...its pretty shocking. Those things move a lot of air.

and yeah he's not exaggerating when he says they weigh 60lbs shipped, my 12" xxx weighed in at 53lbs, and the crate it was shipped in was over 60lbs. my mom couldnt even pick the sub up.

and depending on what type of music you listen to, if it was rock id be willing to bet 1 10" could be too much bass for you, let alone 2 10".

anyways my point is dont let the 10" fool you...dont think you have to have at least 12"...hey that one guy has a wall of 6x9's (which are tiny compared to like 12" sub) and he hit 169db :)

k bad example..

Not good enough for me? Quite the opposite actually. They are INCREDIBLY LOUD, and I was only giving them 1/3 of their recommended power. I just purchased a pair of Rainbow Vanadium subwoofers, noit much better in my opinion. I'm going for a pure SQ setup now.

In case you were wondering, I hit 143.1 with the pair, only giving them 1/3 of their RMS power, very impressive. I'm asking $650 SHIPPED. Incredible good deal considering they weigh 60 pounds each and shipping is expensive.

how much? lol id really think about it but i really like the extra spl you get from 12s, why arent they good enough for ya? lol

Just buy my pair of 10" XXX's :)

i think its 32 or somthin, if I get the 2 re xxx 12s i gotta go another amp asap before they sell out which means ill be broke for a good long while :(