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by spkrman » Tue Jan 17, 2006 3:32 am

Tuma wrote:http://www.bladeice.com/forum/viewtopic ... 1a105fe409
Looks like AMG has this enclosure design figured out.
Read through that guys site...

Very not impressed :)

by Tuma » Mon Jan 16, 2006 1:28 pm

AMG Concept of Multi-Chamber Multi-Reflex Boxes with either single but especially two speakers in the set-up.
* Sealed part of the box means that SQ is tight punchy and fast.
* Ported part of the box = efficiency and is loud when it comes to SPL.
* Bandpass part of the box is low, very low, is not a one note wonder.
It has NONE of the bad points from simple sealed or simple ported designs. The outer chambers are loaded in such a way that they behave as if they are in a sealed chamber. These boxes also acts like a Bandpass box because of the multiply chamber configuration and calculations and this is a plus. If the centre chamber is being ported it treats each outer chamber as 6th Order Parallel Bandpass box and this enhances its efficiency and low bass abilities. If the outer chambers are being ported it treats the inner chamber as 6th Order Series Bandpass box and this enhances its efficiency and SPL abilities. The port noise problems that some boxes have is almost eliminated and the designs keeps the SQ and the SPL guys happy. In this design there are five chambers whereby the air is being forced almost transmission line style into the centre chamber and exits via a square port.

by sinister audio » Mon Jan 16, 2006 11:09 am

it was shelling apart and it was just one of them. but it was self destructing for no reasons. it was installed by the kicker dealer in one of the emploeys trucks and they brought here because they couldnt figure out what was happening to it. what i have seen of them they are crap but i guess others must have seen better out comes.

by audiobass10 » Sun Jan 15, 2006 9:04 pm

MobileAudio219 wrote:I dont know if you are talking about one or two drivers, but either way something wasnt "running good" if it was only doing 132db. I'm not a big fan of kickers square subs but we both know that sub is capable of alot more than that. Right?
Yes..sealed it can break a 140 on the TL. One of the loudest sealed drivers next to the W7.

by MobileAudio219 » Sun Jan 15, 2006 8:59 pm

sinister audio wrote:i have seen 2 of those drivers break for no reason what so ever. they had a piece of plastic around the coil and it broke and wedged and through the driver off center and rubbed the coil through. and no warranty and it wasnt very loud. i would say it was lucky if it was 132dbs when it was running good.
I dont know if you are talking about one or two drivers, but either way something wasnt "running good" if it was only doing 132db. I'm not a big fan of kickers square subs but we both know that sub is capable of alot more than that. Right?

by Ranger SVO » Sun Jan 15, 2006 2:37 pm

Tuma wrote:The driver doesn’t bother me. I am looking for some opines and ideas on how to start constructing and testing this enclosure.
TL's are unique because they represent a class of non-resonent enclosures (whew, way to much time learning), with TL's the enclosure functions as a low pass filter filter with a 90-degree shift. Unlike ported enclosures almost all of the rear wave energy is used.

No mathematical modeling that I am aware of exist for TL's. Here is what I do know. The transmission line itself should be 1/4 of the length of the wave that you would like it to produce. Lenght of a wave is given by speed of sound in inchesdivided by the frquency you choose. he result will be the length of the wave. The transmission line should equal 1/4 of that length.

Next, The area behind the driver should have a cross sectional area 2 -2.5 times greater the effective surface area of the cone of the driver (Sd). It should then taper down to an area equal to Sd.

Two really good articles are both by A R Bailey and can be found in Wireless World October 1965 and May 1972. One is titled "A Non-Resonant Loudspeaker Enclosure Design" and The Transmission Line Loudspeaker Enclosure"

The only successful transmission line enclosures that I am aware of used KEF drivers , but with this type of enclosure anything that moves air (makes sound) should work.

PLEASE send or post any info that you might find on this subject.

I have built one transmission line enclosure, it worked, however the design is not effiecient. Minor tuning can be accomplished by lightly filling the line with accoustic fill. (slowing down the sound wave is equal to a slightly longer port).

by Tuma » Sun Jan 15, 2006 10:40 am

http://www.bladeice.com/forum/viewtopic ... 1a105fe409
Looks like AMG has this enclosure design figured out.

by Tuma » Sun Jan 15, 2006 10:24 am

The driver doesn’t bother me. I am looking for some opines and ideas on how to start constructing and testing this enclosure.

by sinister audio » Fri Jan 13, 2006 10:01 am

i have seen 2 of those drivers break for no reason what so ever. they had a piece of plastic around the coil and it broke and wedged and through the driver off center and rubbed the coil through. and no warranty and it wasnt very loud. i would say it was lucky if it was 132dbs when it was running good.

by Bwcad1 » Fri Jan 13, 2006 9:40 am

not a fan of kicker def. not a fan of that driver sound like a good idea though

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