old school vs new school

Dragon_fire · Post by **Dragon_fire** » Sun Apr 24, 2005 10:50 am

simple idea. Which is "Better". Based on sound and construction. Old school orion/PPI or the new high quality amps ? I know the new ones win with features so we wont count them. Im at a loss. I really want a great high quality amp that will push around 300-400 watts per channel over 2 channels into a 4 ohm load. And i've narrowed it down to Either the Arc 4150 (cxl or xxk) or Maybe Kiki's suggestion of the orion 2250 (or the 475) or maybe even a PPI Art series 600.2 (Which according to the net is the best amp ever made). So what do the more veteren players have to say about the subject. Should I push my speakers old school or new school ?

(I have electronic crossovers with subsonic filters and the such so that is not a factor)

William from NOLA · Post by **William from NOLA** » Sun Apr 24, 2005 4:38 pm

The SQ is better on today's high quality amps (most of them anyway). With old amps, I'd make sure that the capacitors haven't dried up and all of the wires on the inside are replaced (loose wires), if necessary.

The old ones' construction are typically better than most amps today (including all amps). That is unless you go along the lines of McIntosh or such.

I think it's more of your personal preference overall.

xloudcivicx · Post by **xloudcivicx** » Mon Apr 25, 2005 9:10 am

im using the art series amps and let me tell you, they are badass for SQ. I'm using a 600.2 for a pair of W3s and a 300.2 pushing my front sound stage which is 2 pairs of MBQ components. It is crisp, clear and very accurate.

Dragon_fire · Post by **Dragon_fire** » Mon Apr 25, 2005 11:49 am

Awesome, I just won an art series 600.2 off ebay for 350 shipped. Ill be using it to push my 3 way comps & rear fill. (Diamonds RAF technology)

xloudcivicx · Post by **xloudcivicx** » Mon Apr 25, 2005 12:49 pm

350 shipped is a bit steep if you asked me. I won my auction on ebay for 225, it cost 250 shipped. Nevertheless the amp is worth the cash as long as it's in good condition. The cosmetics tell whether the person took care of it or not on a 10 year old white amp. Did you pick up the white art or black?

Dragon_fire · Post by **Dragon_fire** » Mon Apr 25, 2005 12:54 pm

Bah. White art. It has a few spots of rust which bother me. I'll just have to wait and see what it looks like when it gets here. The seller also had a black one and a first series white art.

Post by **GlassWolf** » Mon Apr 25, 2005 12:59 pm

personally I prefer the older Orion HCCA, SX, and GS series, and PPI Art series amps.
solid state, milspec components throughout. 15 volt DIN phantom power supply and balanced signal path for signal processing. all class AB, which are always going to have superior sound quality to any class D amplifier.
what you will sacrifice is efficiency compared to SMT technology and class D amplifiers and integrated features like crossovers and equalizing, class-D strapping, etc.
the older amps are also gibber, and get hotter.
Overall SQ though, a class AB amp isn't going to spike in distortion as you approach pak output the way a class D amp does, and it's going to work full range, also unlike a class D amp. I'll stick to the older amps, but a lot of people are fine with the new ones, which perform just fine for most applications.

xloudcivicx · Post by **xloudcivicx** » Mon Apr 25, 2005 1:15 pm

kiki got me addicted to the art series amp well over a year ago. Ya it lacks a crossover, but who cares. Great choice. I'm sure you'll love it. Not sure why it'd have rust on it unless part of the paint got scraped off. Either way as long as that green LED lights up and everything works, it's worth it.

Dragon_fire · Post by **Dragon_fire** » Mon Apr 25, 2005 3:07 pm

yeah, Im probably gonna get two of them, 600 to the comps, 600 to the subs.

ridr4lif · Post by **ridr4lif** » Mon Apr 25, 2005 6:53 pm

600 watts to a component set?

Damn man...what comp set is that that can handle 600 watts?

TEDD