Well first off, maybe it is just as good, BUT what exactly do you expect one of the owners of the company to say? "Oh no, we aren't nearly as good as JL. In fact, we suck compared to them!".
Again, not saying they aren't as good, I honestly don't know.
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aka_albino
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send it to me to if u would sounds very interesting :happy055:Bwcad1 wrote:im arguing both i will send you a pm about my statements. i know for a fact that the jl 1000/1 and the mm1000/1 were built in the same build house using many of the same parts and i will forward you information to back up the previous statments.
In reference to the PM that you sent. I won't give direct quotes since I've been requested not to and Bill wants to play dirty 
Perhaps I should call out Manville Smith and get his side of the story, perhaps that will be the great equalizer
1: They don't use the same parts. They use the same parts vendors. He didn't claim they used the same parts, you did. Vifa makes tons of different kinds of drivers, ranging from suckiness to greatness. Just because CDT gives you Vifa drivers doesn't mean that they're good Vifa drivers. For the most part they're mediocre. The part itself can tell you something, while the vendor doesn't tell you much of anything. The deciding factor of the quality of an electronic part will be determined by the tolerances they're built to. Furthermore, the amplifiers CAN'T use the same parts considering the design of both.
2: Yes, they are both built in Asia, previously at the same buildhouse. No, that doesn't mean they're built equivalently. What really matters in that aspect is quality control, in which JL developed methods to manage that from the good ol' USA when a problem arises.
3: Even if you are using the same "parts", that still doesn't mean they're built exactly the same. You know why companies like DST and SEAS, amongst numerous others, offer raw drivers to begin with? Mostly because many of those drivers don't meet the extremely tight specifications of the companies they're producing drivers for. So they put those in the hands of the consumer and cheaper companies in order to make some form of profit off of "the rejects". They're perfectly fine, but they may not be within a +/-.5db tolerance like you'd get from a $100,000 set of speaker towers.
If you really wanted to compare both amplifiers, you'd want to pull multiple amplifiers off a production run and compare them to one another. Both do what they state they're capable of. If you compared a Dayton Reference speaker with a SEAS L18, for example, you'd find the Dayton costs about half and performs equally. The price you pay is that the products are horribly inconsistent and you'll never buy two of them that perform exactly the same. That L18, however, maintains an excellent level of quality control and the extra that you pay makes up for it.
If you really wanted to dig into the topology, I will do my best. I just don't see a point since we're comparing two Asian built middle of the road amplifiers that may slightly give an edge one way or another. Actually, this debate does back up one statement I've made many times:
99% of car audio equipment isn't worth half what it costs
Perhaps I should call out Manville Smith and get his side of the story, perhaps that will be the great equalizer
1: They don't use the same parts. They use the same parts vendors. He didn't claim they used the same parts, you did. Vifa makes tons of different kinds of drivers, ranging from suckiness to greatness. Just because CDT gives you Vifa drivers doesn't mean that they're good Vifa drivers. For the most part they're mediocre. The part itself can tell you something, while the vendor doesn't tell you much of anything. The deciding factor of the quality of an electronic part will be determined by the tolerances they're built to. Furthermore, the amplifiers CAN'T use the same parts considering the design of both.
2: Yes, they are both built in Asia, previously at the same buildhouse. No, that doesn't mean they're built equivalently. What really matters in that aspect is quality control, in which JL developed methods to manage that from the good ol' USA when a problem arises.
3: Even if you are using the same "parts", that still doesn't mean they're built exactly the same. You know why companies like DST and SEAS, amongst numerous others, offer raw drivers to begin with? Mostly because many of those drivers don't meet the extremely tight specifications of the companies they're producing drivers for. So they put those in the hands of the consumer and cheaper companies in order to make some form of profit off of "the rejects". They're perfectly fine, but they may not be within a +/-.5db tolerance like you'd get from a $100,000 set of speaker towers.
If you really wanted to compare both amplifiers, you'd want to pull multiple amplifiers off a production run and compare them to one another. Both do what they state they're capable of. If you compared a Dayton Reference speaker with a SEAS L18, for example, you'd find the Dayton costs about half and performs equally. The price you pay is that the products are horribly inconsistent and you'll never buy two of them that perform exactly the same. That L18, however, maintains an excellent level of quality control and the extra that you pay makes up for it.
If you really wanted to dig into the topology, I will do my best. I just don't see a point since we're comparing two Asian built middle of the road amplifiers that may slightly give an edge one way or another. Actually, this debate does back up one statement I've made many times:
99% of car audio equipment isn't worth half what it costs
well john i have to agree with you i think this just comes down to brand loyalty and i understand your points about using the same parts vendors he went into greater detail later on that you did not see. i wasnst playing dirty he requested that i do not post the info i sent you because it would just start a pissing contest lol which apparently it has to some degree. i just want people to keep there options open and to not put down autotek or hifonics. unfortuantaly hifonics has a bad name now because of api and there trying to clime out of it. i think at this point were just splitting hairs both are great amplifiers in my mind.
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Ryan from Ohio
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Why is anyone arguing about which is better?
They are two different amps...
The JL with a regulated power supply that can put out 1000+ watts into 4-1 Ohm...
The Maxxsonics amp that power varies depending on load. Also its been noted most Maxsonics amps put out less than rated- although it could have changed or been limited to a few amps only...
They are two different amps...
The JL with a regulated power supply that can put out 1000+ watts into 4-1 Ohm...
The Maxxsonics amp that power varies depending on load. Also its been noted most Maxsonics amps put out less than rated- although it could have changed or been limited to a few amps only...
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